The Hidden Ingredient Behind the Creation of the Manson Cult & the Infamous Murders of the Late 1960’s
The summer of ’69 began a wave of fear into the minds of Americans as it closed the doors on good vibes from a decade of love and peace. The Age of Aquarius ushered in with cult-like status for a debauched, violent culture soon to come. The celebrity slaughter of actress Sharon Tate and the rest of the household at 10050 Cielo Drive in Los Angeles, California reads like the scene of a horror movie, as bodies lay strewn about the house and on the lawn. Pregnant Sharon Tate lay bound gagged and stabbed repeatedly to die in a pool of her own blood. Writing on the walls from the blood of the victims. Like a scene in Hollywood that had no set or stage and only its movies could match.
Charles Manson’s ‘Family’ was comprised of the muscle of then devil’s-rejects like Charles ‘Tex’ Watson, Paul Watkins, Bobby Beausoleil, and Steve Grogan. And Manson had among himself an heir of young high-school dropouts like Leslie Van Houten, Patricia Krenwinkle, Susan Atkins, and Linda Kasabian. Charles Manson, The self proclaimed savior and prophet, led his followers into a mind-controlled cult meaning conditioning took place through installation of fear, trauma, end times prophecy, preparation for war, and occult brainwashing.
Manson’s hold and the directing of his followers was not made over night. And it can be noted that although we see the side of a more emaciated, rambling madman, Manson had an intelligence that very few men have today. His ability to take control of a group of people, brainwash them with mind-control techniques, drugs, and trauma to carry out the slaughter of innocent people cannot be understated.
Charlie is what you would call a dominant 5% personality meaning 1 in 20 individuals even in the primate and animal world have the traits and personality to take control of a group and direct as leader. This is usually accompanied by elements of sociopathic and psychopathic nature. When you have no empathy or remorse for taking advantage of people it allows you to hone in on controlling the collective of a group at the expense and suffering of its individual parts.
Most people today who know a little about the Manson murders and his creation of a drug-crazed, Helter-Skelter cult was their use of LSD as a main component of the madness they were involved in. But what’s generally less known and perhaps more devastating than the LSD is their use of the deadly hallucinogenic deliriant Jimsonweed, which they had been mistakenly calling belladonna (although both have the same compounds and end result) . This would have greatly gone unnoticed but in the trial testimony of Paul Watkins, he describes the plant which is a sure match for jimsonweed:
“Q: When did you, Mr. Watkins, first become aware of belladonna?
A: When I was about 16 years old.
A: In a Hopi Indian reservation in northeastern Arizona.
Q: Did you ever see belladonna while at the Spahn Ranch?
A: In the spring of 1969 I went out and — I saw it along, because it grows all around there.
Q: What form does it take?
A: It takes a form of a green plant, but it has got heart-shaped leaves and big white lillies (sic)
Q: Some kind of a flower plant?
A: Big prickly balls.”
Clearly he is describing Jimsonweed in this testimony, otherwise known as Datura. The exact species is unknown. But I am going to bet that he was describing Datura discolor or Datura inoxia, Because of their pronounced heart-shaped leaves. Datura plants are fairly common plants in places like Arizona. It has also been recognized in some circles that the Hopi medicine men employed the use of this plant although it was probably much more widespread in earlier times.
Here is where the jimsonweed comes into play for the Manson Family. Charlie had a grudge against a man that had kicked him off his land. Naturally, Charlie had to get even. He then asked Paul Watkins if he knew where he could get a hold of some poison. Affirmative. Watkins finds the Jimsonweed, digs it up, brings it back and they begin making large amounts of tea.
Tex Watson leaves chewing a piece of the root and disappears for three days:
“I was hitchhiking and nearly crawling on my knees, and my mouth was foaming cotton, my body was sort of red and I fell down three or four times before I got the cycle cranked up and then I couldn’t stand. The last thing I remember was blaring down the road in the daytime…and the next thing I remember, the police were dragging me out of some car..in the valley. I was in Van Nuys Jail the next morning. Three guys in the cell jumped me and beat me up. They said I was very strong; they took me to the hospital to have my right eyebrow sewed up.”
When we look closely into Watson’s mugshot his pupils are extremely dilated which one would come to expect with an overdose of tropane alkaloids. Extreme mydriasis where the pupil is almost completely covering the iris. This is the hallmark signature of tropane intoxication.
Here we have the testimony of Paul Watkins on the story of jimsonweed (although they mistakenly call it belladonna) within the Manson Family:
Q: When did you, Mr. Watkins, first become aware of belladonna?
A: When I was about 16 years old.
A: In a Hopi Indian reservation in northeastern Arizona.
Q: Did you ever see belladonna while at the Spahn Ranch?
A: In the spring of 1969 I went out and — I saw it along, because it grows all around there.
Q: What form does it take?
A: It takes a form of a green plant, but it has got heart-shaped leaves and big white lillies (sic)
Q: Some kind of a flower plant?
A: Big prickly balls.
Q: What did you do with it?
A: Well, I used to dig it up, and it has roots that are like yams — and chop the roots up and make tea of the roots and drink the tea.
Q: You sort of brew it up, then?
Q: Was that done at Spahn Ranch, if you know?
Q: On how many occasions?
A: On one occasion.
Q: Was that when you did it?
A: That’s when I did it.
Q: What year was this, or what month?
A: Spring of ’69.
Q: And where was it done at the ranch?
A: In the semi-trailer.
Q: Now, is the only way one takes the plant by brewing the roots?
A: By brewing the roots.
Q: Can you chew the root, too?
Q: Did you ever do that?
Q: On how many occasions?
A: A dozen occasions.
Q: Was that while you were around the ranch, also?
A: No, I never took it around the ranch. I only did it because they asked me to.
Q: Who asked you to?
A: Charlie asked me to.
Q: Was there some sort of a group gathering when this was done?
A: Yes, people were watching what I was doing.
Q: Were you the one who was actually brewing it up?
Q: I think you told us you had used it, what, a dozen times before this occasion; is that right?
A: I had used it about 20 times before that occasion.
Q: But 12 times by chewing the roots?
Q: And the rest by stewing or by brewing?
A: Drinking the tea or eating the seeds.
Q: What effect did it have on you?
A: Very, very, very strong drug effect.
Q: Like what?
A: Like, first noticeable effects are very, very thick saliva forming in your mouth, and you have a hard time swallowing.
Q: Is that saliva condition something you could call cotton mouth?
A: Yes, you just get a very bad cotton mouth and a very awful odor, then you get nauseous, really nauseated, that lasts for three or four hours, and then depending on the dose, it will lay the body down.
Q: In other words, you would pass out?
A: The trip will continue.
Q: How long does the trip continue?
A: Three days to a week.
Q: In lighter quantities, what happens short of passing out?
A: In the lighter quantities you could still walk around.
A: Walk around and function.
Q: Did the drug have a tendency to dehydrate you, Mr. Watkins, if you know?
Q: That is what I am talking about? Belladone.
Q: You get very dehydrated?
Q: You know, kind of dried up?
A: Yes. You can say it emaciates you if you want to, I guess. I am not sure what that words means.
Q: Just being very dry?
A: I always carried a canteen whenever I would take that.
Q: To replenish what? The bodily fluids?
Q: With water?
Q: How often would you take it when you did take it?
A: One time I took it — it would vary. I would go on a binge and maybe take it every three or four days, in order to stay constantly on it. Spread it out over two or three weeks. Or I would take one very strong trip and then not take any for a few months, then take another one and not take any for a week. There was no pattern to how it was done.
Q: Is the effect pretty much the same, whether you drink the juice or chew the root?
A: Well, all except for the physical effect. If you chew the root, you get a root in your stomach that you are likely to throw up.
Q: Is the physical reaction to the drug the same?
THE COURT: Would this be a good time to recess, Mr. Bubrick?
MR. BUBRICK: Yes.
THE COURT: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury we will recess at this time until 1:30. Once more, please heed the usual admonition.
CROSS-EXAMINATION (Resumed) BY MR. BUBRICK:
Q: Mr. Watkins, I think this noon when we broke we were talking about belladonna and you were telling us about the batch you were brewing up in Spahn Ranch.
Do you recall that?
A: Yeah, I recall that.
Q: And you said that it was being prepared in some sort of a tea form, something to drink, I take it?
Q: Now, when that was being prepared, was Mr. Watson there, if you know?
A: Yes, he was there.
Q: And did you see him do anything about the belladonna you were using?
Q: What did he do?
A: He took a chunk of root about three-quarters of an inch long and about an inch in diameter and walked off chewing on it.
Q: Did you see him again that day?
A: No, saw him three days later.
Q: Three days later?
Q: And what, if anything, did you notice at that time?
A: I noticed that he was bruised, was cut from one end to the other and had a big blackened, red and blue eye, looked like he had been in a heck of a fight.
Q: Can you fix the time of the year that this occurred in?
A: Yeah, it would be spring of 1968 — no, ’69.
There is a question of whether or not they were on jimsonweed the night of the murders. I don’t believe they were and here’s why:
Tropane intoxication incapacitates the user. Carrying out anything in this state is next to impossible. Especially commands and instructions. Another problem they would have is keeping balance. As Tex said he was “nearly crawling on my knees”. The loss of coordination and balance is a common effect of the drug because the acetylcholine has been reduced to a state where the balance cannot be properly assimilated. This, in my opinion, would never work. I think it was used to sort of break them down and get them a little cooked up so they could be manipulated with ease.
It is important to remember that you can’t really blame drugs on the events that took place on that horrific summer of ’69. You have to understand that Charlie was using these as tools to gain a tight grip around his followers. Of course the media is going to blame the LSD. Mainly because LSD is on the list for the phony ‘War on Drugs’ so of course that will have to be brought to the surface, unjustly. They seemed to overlook the jimsonweed, and I think mostly because they have no idea what it is and what it can do
But I guess that’s how Lady Nightshade does it. She prefers to make her presence known in the most powerful ways and then after the smoke is cleared she blends into the backdrop undetected and back to the dark Underworld that is her kingdom…
Paul Watkins introduced Charlie to jimsonweed and from that point on Charlie utilized it with great efficacy to intensify the fear and trauma, cultivating an aura of unpredictability and instability, thereby making the ‘Family’ more controllable.
Then we get down to the after effects this drug. It is clear from Watkin’s testimony that they were using this stuff heavily and for long, drawn out periods. This would very likely result in some form of lingering psychosis and therefore much more suggestible by someone like Charlie Manson.
Charlie had a perfect tool to keep his followers in check…
Strange Phenomena in the Realms of the Unexplained
The psychoactive realm of the Nightshade family truly stands in a league of its own. There is nothing more powerful than tropane alkaloids when it comes to inducing vivid hallucinations. The hallucinogenic experience under the influence of these compounds are described as extremely real. Sometimes they can be crazy trips where the person is overloaded with frightening imagery (mainly when misused and abused; not respected). Other times it can take a much lighter note with the user having imaginary get-togethers with old friends and strangers, sharing many laughs, deep conversations, and phantom cigarettes. There is no telling which direction it will go if you are to just start consuming it like this. The type and range of interaction in these realms is exceptionally various.
But here’s where it gets tricky. The hallucinations can be a 360 degree change of scenery, or even just partial change of scenery blending into the scenery we are really in. People show up and look just as real as anyone who is physically there with them. You lose the ability to distinguish the real from the unreal in this realm. She can be quite cunning in this respect
There is also some very strange phenomena that seem to happen when under the spell of tropanes. Among some of the most common themes that seem to repeat themselves are:
The smoking of imaginary cigarettes that many times seem to fall out of their hands on the floor leaving the user to look frantically around for the burning cigarette only to realize later that they were never actually smoking one!
Imaginary parties and get-togethers:
Seeing old friends and people they haven’t seen in a really long time. Spending hours together laughing, drinking, smoking, socializing, only to find out later that no one was ever at the house and the people from the experience were nowhere near the vicinity at the time.
Interaction with the deceased:
Reports of dead friends, relatives, and pets interacting within the experience, sometimes bringing closure, and sometimes leaving a disturbing memory to haunt them from there on out.
Functioning in the same hallucination as other users with them and telepathic communication
reports of users functioning within the same framework of hallucination passing cigarettes to each other, seeing the same imaginary people involved in the same conversations. At times there have even been reports of users being able to hear each others’ calls between a far distance or without verbal communication.
Many users had no knowledge of the common phenomena among others’ experiences before the experience. The ways a hallucination can interact on such similar terms and on multiple users at once within the same hallucination calls many things about the framework of reality and our understanding of the hallucinatory experience into question. Most users leave Lady Nightshade’s arena with a vivid memory of something extremely powerful and “not of this world”.
First time users greatly underestimate the power and potential of these powerful compounds. Keeping themselves under wraps in a public setting or at home around family members becomes almost impossible. Most of these reports end up in hospitalization because of the user’s bizarre behavior. Family members are freaked out by the delirium of their teenager, unaware that they have consumed something of this magnitude. Essentially, they are living in a dimension of their own (or perhaps a very real dimension we cannot see from this one- like the dreamscape while physically awake) all the while ignorant of the dimension of real world reality. A few cases end up with police involvement and come out facing charges. This is greatly due to the fact that They had no idea how out of touch with this dimension they would become while on that much of the drug, so when confronted by police or medical staff users have been known to be aggressive and sometimes violent.
But again please keep in mind that this is the result of abusing a powerful plant. This is the result of not respecting a powerful force and for that you really can’t put all the blame on the plant here because she is so much more than what the negative results of irresponsible minds do with her… I mean lets face it kids like to get in trouble.
So lets take a look at some of the reports of recreational use and government research. We will see a very strange but very common phenomena experienced in Lady Nightshade’s court:
Zombie Parties and Friends from Way Back
Reoccurring in many of these trips is the sudden appearance of company that appear into one’s trip. Friends they ‘haven’t seen in a really long time’ and strangers alike magically appear and walk into the house. The user is oftentimes happy to join in and mingle with his guests:
“I looked at the foot of my bed and my two best friends were standing there. I started laughing hysterically at the fact that they would stop by and wake me up at such a late time. I preceded to have a little party in my room with them. They came up and sat on either side of me and we had a great time passing joints and smoking cigarettes. I paused the little shindig and went to the bathroom. I used the bathroom and while washing my hands I looked into the mirror and my face contorted into an impossible shape and I shook myself off and splashed some water on my face, still none the wiser to what was happening. I walked back to my room where at my door my mother was standing. I greeted her and informed her that my friends had stopped by for a late night visit. She gave me the weirdest look I think she has ever given me. I re-entered my room and my friends were nowhere to be found.” –Late Night Parties and Everlasting Cigarettes
You can imagine the feeling of fully accepting the fact that you have just held on to a vivid hallucination as though it was fully functioning reality. This where the effect of the drug can play the trickster.
“So began a series of hallucinations. In the house’s second bathroom, I saw Jenny standing next to me, looking at me. I turned to her and resolved to muster a reassuring smile but when I turned I realized that what I had been looking at was my own reflection in the mirror. I was very alarmed and thought “this is madness,” but my reflection was wearing the placid smile I had put on for Jenny and my calm expression was somewhat reassuring.
From that point on I was very messed up and was moving around, bumping into things, hallucinating and tormented by mental confusion. I had minimal short term memory and at one point noticed that I had left the bathroom sink running full tilt for an unknown length of time. Colors and sounds were amplified. There were times when there were lots of people in the room, having a party. When I tried to talk, they’d stop and listen, realize I was incomprehensible and then ignore me and continue their conversations.” – This is Madness
” Just then there was a knock at the door, it was my girlfriend wondering where i was, she had brought three friends with her, all people I had went to school with in earlier years and had moved away, this did not seem odd to me at the time. I invited them in and we started talking about something. I can’t remember exactly what, I reached in my pocked for a lighter light a cig my girl had given me, but when I looked up they were gone. I mean VANISHED.” –Strongest Thing I’ve Ever Taken
Another says of his girlfriend who had drank tea made from belladonna foliage:
“I asked her about her ‘trip’ and she said that after we left all sorts of people she hadn’t seen in a long time showed up at our apartment, and there was a big party. She actually thought that both my friend and I had come back at some point during the night. She said she had a lot of fun.
We later contacted virtually everyone she saw (some were unreachable as she hadn’t been in contact with them for years) and none of them had come over, most of them were not within 200 miles from our apartment at the time. When she was at work that day she thought that I had come to visit her (she worked alone most of the day as a screen printer in a big shop) and that we talked all day long. She said her boss came in a few times and asked who she was talking to, and anytime he did, she explained that she couldn’t exactly remember. Only shortly after he left did I reappear and she did not at the time (both when it was happening, and again when she was explaining it to me) seem to understand how illogical this was.” – The Manson Family Killed on this Plant
Some people seem to have glowing experiences in her kingdom for reasons that are vastly unclear:
“I remember walking around my dorm thinking that I was naked, and there were at least 10 people in every room. I didn’t know any of them, but I was able to talk to quite a few of them. They seemed to ignore my nudity, and I understood this to be a sign of friendship. In my room there were four people I’ve never seen before, my little brother, and a hallucinated version of my sober [sitter] friend (who was actually trying to help the other guy [likely in another dorm] tripping on the floor). We talked for what seemed like years, discussing many things from the Roman empire to how butterscotch was made.” –Entering Insanity
One thing is certain, She sure has a sense of humor about Her when She isn’t so sinister to those few folks who aren’t cut out for her realm..
In Chemical Warfare: Secrets Almost Forgotten, James S. Ketchum gives us an invaluable resource during his time as Colonel in the U.S. ARMY. at Edgewood Arsenal in the late 1960’s. These same themes were described in trial runs given to ARMY volunteers during research into the effects and uses of incapacitating agents like synthetic atropine-derivative, 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate, also known as BZ:
“…With regards to persons in his vicinity, recognition may be accurate for individuals whom he has met prior to testing, such as the doctor or nurse; other people may erroneously be greeted as old friends from his outfit, or even relatives. At times, he may react to large objects possessing a vertical shape as if they were people. One subject tried to provoke a fight with a simulated gun mount; another said “Excuse me, Sir” to the water fountain when he accidentally brushed against it. In more extreme states of confusion, he may even initiate conversations with hallucinated individuals. He conducts these one-sided conversations in such a natural, unstudied manner that acting is out of the question…”
Phantom Cigarettes:Now You See Me, Now You Don’t
The hands down most common phenomenon that users report is smoking phantom cigarettes. The user thinks they are completely real until it either vanishes into thin air or falls on the ground never to be found again. It will be some time before they realize that they had never been smoking one to begin with! It is quite comical because it usually occurs indoors in one’s home so they are tearing their room apart because they don’t want to burn the house down. She sure enjoys playing the role of trickster in scenes like this. It is also interesting to note that tobacco is also in the nightshade family
It really makes you scratch your head when trying to make sense of such things. Why this ‘phantom smoking’ would be such a commonality reoccurring and not only that but disappearing to involve the user in this wild goose chase looking for it when it disappears!
“Again, like so many before, I found myself searching for dropped cigarettes… but they were burning through and sliding under the sheets. I could feel the burnt holes and heat coming off them, feel the cigarette roll away from me under the sheets. And then it hit me that I never lit a cigarette, but i sure needed one. Forget that I was just thrashing around like a wild man for imaginary cigarettes. it was time for the real thing. I actually smoked the same amount as I normally do (30 to 45 min apart). But I always felt like I had one in my hand. Many times my index, middle fingers and thumb would meet as I spaced off and that would induce a frantic cigarette hunt. It was mostly happening in my left hand which I don’t even smoke with. this is the aspect I am most curious about of all my experiences.” – I’m Eating at McDonalds
“Before I could give a second thought I found myself sitting on the ground of what seemed like the park and I was smoking cigarettes that just kept falling out of my hand or just float away. This little scenario kept repeating itself for most of my memory… …Finally, I woke up in my bed the next morning wondering how I got there and feeling like everything I had just witnessed was nothing more than a long vivid dream. I also realized I was smoking a cigarette and and that I dropped it on my blanket, but when I went to fetch it, it was nowhere to be found, no smoke no burns, nothing.” –The Living Dream
“I lay there for sometime just thinking and soaking everything in. For some odd reason I always had a cigarette in my hand that would never go out or need to be ashed… …So my attention went from the mirror to my hand where a freshly lit cigarette sat waiting to be smoked. This made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I smoked and smoked and smoked and again the cigarette never burned down any.” –Late Night Parties and Everlasting Cigarettes
Another bunch decided to stock up before the event and roll a bunch of cigarettes for the experience. Little did they know…
“Four of us decided to do it together in an abandoned coca cola bottling factory we were squatting. We set up two mattresses on the ground, some rugs, and rolled a ton of cigarettes because we figured we would be too messed up to want to roll cigarettes… [Later during the trip]: …At some points we are all awake, talking, smoking cigarettes, and drinking beer together, passing them around to each other. Sometimes someone drops a cigarette or drink and its gone as soon as it hits the floor. We look around for it but it can’t be found… The next day when we get up around 2 pm we all feel pretty sober. We realized that no one had come over, we hadn’t drank anything, and that all the cigarettes we had rolled were still there waiting.” –Lucid Dreaming
“Next thing I know I whip out a cigarette that I distinctly remember leaving behind my ear. I begin a quest in search for a lighter. I continuously search over and over the same square feet of carpet in front of me for a lighter but I don’t find one. Magically I realize that my cigarette is already lit. ‘Duh!’ I think to myself, and begin smoking it. Moments later it falls on the floor and I start searching for it, but it’s gone. Wtf! WHAT THE FUCK? Take a wild guess what I do next? I reach behind the same ear and find another one; however this doesn’t strike me as slightest bit unusual. I just go on smoking it. Oh… of course- without a lighting it first.” –Delerium in Perdition
It can also be further noted that not all the people that experienced the ‘phantom cigarettes’ phenomenon even smoked cigarettes:
“Around about this time, Cal took a draw of and passed me an invisible cigarette, of course I had read about this in other reports, finally it had kicked in! I had not mentioned the phantom cigarette phenomenon to Cal before, nor had he read about it, this is also surprising because he doesn’t smoke. The seeds weren’t fake. I told him he passed me nothingness & he said “No way, I must have dropped it” –Not Quite What I Had Expected
This next exhibit is from a piece the news did warning of the dangers of jimsonweed. Below you can see these two being filmed at the police station. They are passing these ‘phantom cigarettes’ to each other flicking them. and it looks as real as a mime acting out his routine. However, they really are smoking in their minds. It is interesting to point out these two are functioning within the same hallucination. If the theory that hallucination is just taking place in the person’s mind, how do you explain two separate minds in the same hallucination? It makes me think about how physicists today talk about many dimensions that share the same space but at a different vibration. Have they tuned themselves to this vibration and opened up the ability to view and function within these other dimensions?
The phantom cigarettes were also confirmed again in James S. Ketchum’s Chemical Warfare: Secrets Almost Forgotten, while administering BZ to the volunteers. He stated:
“Hallucinations seem to dominate the field of awareness, and real objects and persons are generally ignored or ludicrously misinterpreted. Touch seems to become the most important sensory system. , and the hands are ceaselessly active, exploring clothing, bedding, walls, floor and crevices of the environment. Smoking and drinking of phantom cigarettes and beverages are very common.”
In one chapter he describes play-by-play each hour of one volunteer’s experience under BZ:
18:35 – Nurse asked the aid man how to spell ‘convenienced’ and subject responded “CONVENIENCESHIT!” Smoking imaginary cigarettes. Sitting cross-legged on floor.Picking at ARMY blanket. “Let us spray” (sic)
20:15 – Once again stated that his hands and feet were very red. Stated that he had eggs for breakfast, and talked of his field jacket. “It isn’t mine and don’t push me brother! Smoking an imaginary cigarette.
40:55 – Stepping very cautiously about room. Dropping pillowcase over back and round shoulders. Appears to be putting on pack. “Go ahead take it (Blood pressure) while I play with the kittens. Nice kitty.” Fed ice cream. “Gordan will build them if anybody will.” “This country better hurry up or we’ll be in another depression.” “When in doubt, blow it out.” Standing at window smoking imaginary cigarette.
47:30 – Lays down with much insistence to vital signs. It is very difficult to get the subject to do anything at this point. “I’m not sorry I’m married to you I’m really not.” “Here comes Caroline.” Smokes imaginary cigarettes. Talks to imaginary people. While standing, looking at the wall, grabbed nurse’s cap while she was sitting on stool. Twisted stethoscope around her neck. “Oh, I thought you were a truck driver.” walked over to window. “I hope they don’t have this damn door locked.” “Hey a pack of cigarettes, if you can read Mexican.”
You can’t buy comedy like this in the real world. But it certainly leaves one with more questions than answers. Does the drug activate something in our mind that deals with habitual daily activities thereby creating these imaginary ‘phantom cigarettes’? And Then how do we explain the whole aspect of the cigarette’s cat-and-mouse game with the user. Is this the spirit and antics of Lady Nightshade playing pranks on these users for kicks?
Conversing with the dead: Closure and Chaos in a Strange Land
One of the less common re-occurrences but highly worthy of study is the appearance of deceased friends and relatives. There have been reports describing closure after seeing late friends, surrounded by their energy and later coming to understand that they still existed, just in a different form. Perhaps death is not the end of existence:
“I also continuously heard voices calling to me, usually calling my name, and I know that I experienced them during my first ‘trip’. However, this time around there was a much more personal connection; about the half the time that I heard my name being called it was the voice of my dear friend Jul, who died this past winter. Every time I heard it I knew it was him, and I could feel his presence all around me. This reminds me, I also heard my aunt’s voice during my first experience; she died a couple of years before, and was my closest relative outside of my nuclear family (in emotional terms). Before either of my trips I read many reports because i am highly interested in the specific effects of every plant or chemical I try, and because it is necessary to my survival. I am now convinced that when this Nightshade doesn’t kill you, it offers access to the land of the dead. I must stress this is not an experience that everyone is ready for, or even meant to have…
…I have grown from both of these experiences [belladonna]; especially the latter, as I was shown that my friend is happy where he is. I am an atheist, but I believe that our bodies are energy, and with death that energy must move somewhere. I was shown that he is living everywhere, but that he was very much living in me, especially due to the energy I put into my love for him. I had a dream in the days afterwards, in which I was chasing my friend. I got to a point where I was so close to catching him, and a man stopped me; he held me by the shoulder and only shook his head slightly. But I could tell just by looking in his eyes that I wasn’t meant to go forward. I was filled with a sense of understanding and happiness, and it was like a weight was being lifted from me.” –The Land of the Dead
Other times, however, the experience with the deceased was not so pleasant and brought more trauma than closure:
“I appear in my old house in Tampa and my friend that died like 2 years ago is there and I’m a ghost and we take for a while and he is real mad at me and said I killed him but I didn’t and he casts me to hell. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS BAD. I’m in a room where the corners of the room are flashing bright red and every time they flash it hurts a lot. And I cover my eyes but nothing I can do stops the light and I can see it in the same spot no matter what I do and my friend’s parents are there yelling at me and crying saying that I killed their son and hitting me with those glow wands from Demolition Man.” –World of Pain
“After this I found myself at my friend Jessie’s old house where she moved away from some time ago, yet there she was along with her grandfather who had passed away about a year ago. I remember that he spoke in the most horrifying, miserable voice and I couldn’t bear to hear it.” –The Living Dream
Our deceased pets even tend to show up in some reports:
“A dog ran out in front of me, it was my old dog, which had long since passed away. For some reason I thought this was real, it seemed so real. My head was full of static noise as I followed my dead dog down to the park where I had originally taken the deadly nightshade into my eye. As I walked my legs would fall out from under me causing me to go crashing into the road, but my dog would always wait for me.” –Screaming Voices
Some of the reports will involve being in a completely different landscape than the one they were physically functioning in. These are tactile hallucinations (with emphasis on touch and feeling). You could physically be in your living room but experience yourself at say, a beach:
“I swear I remember [in the trip] when I was at the beach and I really felt like I was there. No messin’ around I’m serious. What I’m sayin’ seems to be hard to believe but I was actually trippin’ that hard… ….I kept getting memory lapses and thinking I was at the beach again. I actually remember stepping on the sand and feeling the sand.” –Not Doin This Shit Again
“[user is at hospital psyche ward] …From this point onwards, things get real fucking weird. I get up off my bed and search through all my drawers on my study desk in my room at home in search for my glasses. No luck. So I turn around and rummage through through my bedside table. I can’t find them anywhere. All of a sudden I realize that I am actually standing in front of the wall in the hospital ward.” –Delerium in Perdition
Later on this same user, along with two of his buddies also admitted to the psyche ward, are separated from each other in different wards. They each experience the same hallucinations and one of the buddies hears his friend yelling from his solitary confinement, even though they are in separate wards and too distant to hear him:
“I think that I have done some seriously bad crime (eaten the bad fruit) and this was my punishment: solitary confinement for the rest of my existence, which to me at the time- meant eternity. Those thoughts made me angry, so I yelled for a while until I felt tired, and eventually settle into bed… …I lay down and stare at the clock on the other side of the room. It says 4:30… …I take a step back and look at the clock on the wall. But it’s not there anymore… …Next delusion- my hospital band strapped around my wrist becomes a Falls Festival wrist band (a yearly 3 day music festival that everyone in Tasmania goes to)… …[after released] I rendezvous with the other fools from my share house. They all look exhausted, and majorly fucked. Funny thing was, all three of us shared some same hallucinations, even though we were put in different wards, and I was confined in a solitary room. C, B, and myself, all imagined the wristband was a Falls Festival band, and also saw that same white clock on the wall that said 4:30. Quite scary actually. C also mentioned that he receives messages telekinetically, and heard me yell out to him and his friend B, even though there was no possible way of him being able to hear me from that afar. Strange. Strange.” –Delerium in Perdition
Mirror Realities: The Taste of Fear
My personal feeling on the difference of experience is found within the person. The kind of personality and character you have will more or less reflect your embracing or fearing life. Those of us who do not face our fears, work through our mental and emotional baggage, will be face to face with them in these realms. And as they manifest in similar ways within our dreams as nightmares, perhaps those same manifestations of fear and negative clutter will also be true in this landscape.
The first account user seems to have a much more accepting and embracing view on life than the second. I would say the second has a lot of hidden emotion and it is making itself known in his experience with these plants. This is not set in stone however, because even though we think we have worked through many of our fears, there is still much below the surface. But I would venture to say that it would be more likely to work in your favor than not.
Another thing to consider when we are using an entheogen is, what are we taking it for? When we use any substance for a spiritual purpose, it’s important to understand that the experience alone is not going to bring us enlightenment or answers. A substance is only a means to carry out works, meaning we have to do the work ourselves, the plant is only a channel to work through, and certainly not the only channel.
But looking at how similar these reports are and what they mean challenges many things about our understanding of the reality of other worlds. But at least now physicist have been recognizing this possibility of a multidimensional universe. I believe that we are essentially crossing frequencies. Using a plant like datura or belladonna acts as a key or gateway for inter-dimensional travel. You are open to its rate of vibration and yet you are still within the physical realm you operate from originally. When we die, it would make sense that our consciousness changes it’s rate of vibration as we are removed from the body we used. So it might be safe to assume that should we fail to work through that mental and emotional baggage from our time here, we will be face to face with them when we die. This would be a close description to the Hell of various religious mythology.
This is why I believe it is extremely important to use our time in this life wisely and work through whatever challenges and fears we face here. Stop running from your problems. They will catch up to you. Perhaps Lady Nightshade is only reflecting that side of us we hide from ourselves. Those inner fears that we spend our whole lives running from. It certainly makes you wonder…
Ketchum, James S. Chemical Warfare Secrets Almost Forgotten: A Personal Story of Medical Testing of Army Volunteers with Incapacitating Chemical Agents during the Cold War (1955-1975). Place of Publication Not Identified: James S. Ketchum, 2006. Print.
The Role of Bees and Psychoactive Honey in Shamanism
On the Ancient World of European shamanism in the areas of Britain, Ireland, and Gaul, Druids held the bee as a sacred link between the Great Mother and man. Psychoactive honey was one of the many gifts given to man by the bees. Mediating between the Great Mother and man were the many spirits of plant, fungi, animal, and insect alike. They would serve by channeling its wisdom through these many mediums and Agents of Divinity. This is why it was so important for man to keep a link and alliance to nature. Plant spirits would transfer great benefits and insight through its medicinal and hallucinogenic properties. The Bees would provide numerous teachings to man throughout our history and while producing honey we developed further spiritual and medicinal applications to learn and benefit from.
Intuition, clairvoyance, and psychic abilities were at one time part of our natural abilities. As we cut ourselves off from nature over centuries these gifts became dormant and today are almost non-existent since they longer served our need for its practice in the current lifestyle we are in.
There are still remnants of a tradition still utilized today by man in both indigenous cultures and those who have made a conscious decision to return to our nativity and re-secure our alliance with nature.
One of our most important relationships in the natural world is with bees, and most notably, the honey bee. It is known that the Druids considered the Great Mother as Queen Bee. Her resulting priestesses were known as the Melissae. Melissa, the common name today actually came from the Greek word melissa which translated to honey bee.
The bee was closely interwoven to the living arrangements of the Ancient World as they were the pollinators of flowers and crops. This is still the case today although largely unacknowledged by the current power structure. The Ancient World regarded honey (along with pollen as one of its precursors) as one of the many gifts of the Great Mother and thereby making bees and their work extremely respected and sacred.
Among some of the other sacred gifts of the Great Mother were the many entheogens and medicinal plants we acquire through the plant kingdom. In the Druidic traditions there was high reverence for the baneful herbs like henbane, belladonna, and other tropane-containing nightshades more common to that area of the world.
Keep in mind that the use of these plants back then had much wider scope of application than just as a hallucinogen. Before we had the more mechanical and technological advances of modern medicine, they had to find other means to carry out surgical procedures like bone setting and other procedures that required soporifics; what we would understand today as being ‘put under’ by powerful gases and compounds to induce a similar twilight sleep.
By the shamans of that time however, it was much probably more common to use plants like these in a way to aid and intensify their psychic abilities communicating with the spirit world along with prophecy and seeing. They had a much deeper understanding of how to measure, dose, and control its effects for spiritual matters. In other words, they took it for spiritual purposes and had a deep respect for the plant unlike irresponsible thrill-seekers do today. This is reflected by a Mexican curendera/witch in a passage from James Endredy’s The Flying Witches of Veracruz*:
“Flying with the datura spirit is quite different than normal states of consciousness. But I’ve been around it my whole life, and what I do know is that when most people take it, they remember nothing afterwards- even if its many days after. That’s mainly because they didn’t invoke the spirit with a clear purpose or have someone experienced guiding them. Mostly people foolishly try datura just to see what it feels like or because they’ve heard it is dangerous and want to experience with it as some kind of a kick or a thrill. But when witches use it, they invoke the spirit in special ways that have been handed down through countless generations, and they always invoke it in a sacred place and in the company of other experienced witches. This is what is called proper use of set and setting: why you are doing it, with whom, and where.”
So as I’ve presented some of the background behind it I have now given some of the basic tenants of:
A spiritual relationship of man and bees
the sacredness of pollen and honey
the sacredness and respect for henbane, belladonna, and others in the nightshade family
the reason hallucinogens were used by shamans
How different the effects of tropanes can act in regards to intent
We can now take a look into how it all ties together as a system and branch of shamanism:
There is a book out there by Simon Buxton called The Shamanic Way of the Bee** where he describes an initiation to a Path of Pollen and his teaching by an experienced bee shaman. I will point out that the authenticity of the account of his initiation has been seen as highly questionable and claimed by some to be concocted or ghost-written. What I will say is that while that could certainly be the case, It would be safe to conclude that at the very least the practices described within the book are based on real practices and probably more known in ancient times by the Druids. Perhaps he was only told about this over actually being initiated in such a fashion. Much like the description in Castaneda’s books can be debated as his own account but are still most likely true accounts of the practices used in working with the Devil’s Weed by generations of shamans and brujos.
In Buxton’s book there is a chapter devoted to the bees creating psychoactive honey isolated on an island known as Potato Island (the nightshade family is also sometimes called the potato family since potato is a member of the Solanaceae). This island is inhabited by luscious growth of henbane and belladonna where massive beehives have been strategically placed by these shamans for the purpose of getting these bees to create psychoactive honey as a unique form of flying ointment and as ingestable honey that held both the Spirit of nightshade and bees.
In the account there is another reiteration of its practical and spiritual use by shamans and accurately put:
“The Bee Master knows that the flying ointment of our forbears was the jewel in the crown of ancient pharmacology. It was a poison to the layperson, but the spiritual tool sine qua non [absolute necessity] to the practitioner.”
There is further description of the history and almost certainly a description of the Druids’ use and practice of ingesting the psychoactive honey:
“Our forbears intentionally produced this psychoactive honey as a visionary tool for use in certain work. It is taken as honey, and in the form of ritual metheglin[spiced or medicated variety of alcoholic honey called mead]. In fact, the bees first led our ancestors to these sacred plants. having innocently ingested the delicious honey, those ancestors stepped into the other world and experienced ecstasy and communion with our spirit kin. After that, they followed the bees to the plants from which this honey was made, and the beginning of the lineage was initiated. The bees called certain men and women who then sought out and forged a relationship with the hive, wishing to be part of that world as well as this”
Now one can wonder how dosage can be presumed safe if collected by bees. It is said in the book that the bees’ processing, collection and subsequent extraction of alkaloids into the honey brought about just enough of the psychoactive compounds to bring about the necessary experience and not been known to bring about any deaths in its use by its practicing shamans. While this certainly seems kind of like a wild notion, It would make sense to think as though the Great Mother was really directing Her knowledge and wisdom through plant and insect directly to man as shamanic thought would have it. I certainly find it worthy of consideration.
Part of my intention of creating this site was to show how far reaching the psychoactive tropane-based nightshade plants actually go. And also to put out information to reduce simply thinking of it as only a deliriant and poison. That there is a more secret side of her Spirit and not to hex and harm. There are invaluable spiritual teachings one can learn from Her apprenticeship in a spiritual context.
My personal relationship to this plant is on a spiritual level. I learn from and interact with this Plant Spirit in many ways and on many levels. many times without any kind of ingestion. I hope to eventually align with more experienced herbalists and witches that can teach me more about the methods of extractions, applications, and further my education of these magnificent plants. Perhaps this will be a topic for another day. I am certain of it.
There is a wealth of information out there concerning the Druids and both their interaction with both bees and plants like henbane and other psychoactive nightshade plants. I would bet to say that there is also information on other cultures that have had similar practices and interactions with bees and psychoactive honey similar to the Druids. I have researched a far number of accounts on the Druids and their beliefs and practice. Perhaps I will add some sites of interest at a later time.
Buxton, Simon. The Shamanic Way of the Bee: Ancient Wisdom and Healing Practices of the Bee Masters. Rochester, VT: Destiny, 2004. Print.
Endredy, James. The Flying Witches of Veracruz: A Shaman’s True Story of Indigenous Witchcraft, Devil’s Weed, and Trance Healing in Aztec Brujeria. Woodbury, MN: Llewellyn Publications, 2011. Print.
“I’ve done many psychedelics like acid, mushrooms, and DMT, but this was too real!” This is the hallmark and signature characteristic of tropane alkaloids when used by thrill-seekers for a “trip”. These alkaloids can bring a 360 degree change of scenery, lasting anywhere from 12-72 hours and in some cases up to a week or more. The aftermath can bring residual effects like vision problems, lingering hallucinations, and a variety of other cognitive deficiencies. On the other hand, used at just a slightly higher dose can spell death. Sometimes a permanent psychosis can even plague a surviving individual from there on out. Lady Nightshade plays hard and many times for keeps!
At this point you may be asking yourself:
How can these compounds bring such vivid hallucinations?
What is it about these compounds that cause so much devastation to the body and brain?
I have spent a fair amount of time in the last year trying to pin down exactly how these compounds go to work on the brain and why they can be so dangerous. (I am not a student of science or medicine so please don’t hold it against me if any of my terminology appears out of place.)
Anyway, after countless hours piecing it all together, I am going to try and explain it in the simplest of terms so that you can understand it as much as humanly possible. I will do my best to avoid mistakes, misinterpretations, and so on. I have never really had just one article to get an all-inclusive, full spectrum explanation of the effects of the tropane alkaloids (scopolamine, atropine, and hyoscyamine) and how they go to work in the brain. Hopefully my research and subsequent explanation will do some justice here.
Before we explain this, however, I need to explain a vital neurotransmitter and part of the brain that allows us to keep our system operating to run smoothly in the mind and body:
Acetylcholine is a parasympathetic neurotransmitter in the brain. I know. it doesn’t really explain things if you aren’t familiar with biology, medicine, toxicology, etc. I will do my best to bridge the gap and put it in such a way that anyone can understand it.
The brain has many important compounds needed to run the body. but for this lesson think of Acetylcholine as say, Windows for a computer. The glue that keeps the system in place to run smoothly. It allows programs to interact with other programs, download information from the net, etc. Much like acetylcholine does within our system. If you removed Windows or OS X from your Computer It would crash.
Parasympathetic means that its actions run “alongside” other transmitters and receptors keeping the nervous systems going. A neurotransmitter is an organic chemical within the brain that relays messages and allows certain functions to occur in the body and mind. Acetylcholine allows calculations and messages to communicate and command important functions autonomously: on its own and without us having to think about it.
Some of these functions include:
Rest and digest responses
It may not be the sole commander in all of these functions but rest assured Acetylcholine makes it all possible. Acetylcholine is a biological necessity in keeping life going.
When we enter sleep, There is a preliminary stage called NREM (Non-Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. In the two stages of NREM sleep, there is light NREM sleep and deep NREM sleep. In both of these stages the brain has been observed to decrease acetylcholine production. Much more in deep NREM sleep than light NREM sleep. But in REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, the acetylcholine production is high like it is in our waking hours. The acetylcholine in sleep is produced in different parts of the brain than it is in wakefulness, at least that’s what I have come to understand.
Going a step further since the state of REM is so active and transfers to work in a different section of our brain when we wake up we only remember our dreams in detail for a very short amount of time and if we do not write them down we just as easily forget what they were. This is where the memory formation comes into play. When we shut down or restrict the flow of acetylcholine when we are awake (through drugs like scopolamine) we have ‘missing time’ or black outs where memory is very faint or almost not even formed. Perhaps the acetylcholine has switched to the same part of our brain as sleep?
tropane alkaloids: effects on the brain
Tropane alkaloids like Scopolamine, atropine, and hyoscyamine are referred to as anticholinergics. An anticholinergic agent is a drug that breaks down and reduces the flow of acetylcholine in the brain and body. This can be extremely helpful in small doses. In larger doses, however, this can be catastrophic and fatal.
On the smaller scale, tropane alkaloids can be extremely helpful to stomach and digestive problems. With things like stomach ulcers, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, overactive bladder, these are highly effective compounds. Also there are things like overactive sweat glands (hyperhidrosis), or excessive drooling (hypersalivation). These functions are all controlled by the flow of acetylcholine. Reducing the flow of acetylcholine would put the brakes on these overactive processes. So these anticholinergic compounds can work wonders. Motion sickness and nausea can also be treated effectively using tropane alkaloids like scopolamine and hyoscyamine. Perhaps you have used a scopolamine patch on a vacation cruise or in trips where you endure periods of motion sickness.
Atropine has a wide variety of use not only in ophthalmology to dilate the pupils but also in the military field as an antidote to the chemical agents of nerve gas. When these agents enter the system It disrupts the acetylcholinesterase, The transmitters responsible for the regulation of acetylcholine, therefore flooding the system with excessive amounts of acetylcholine causing the victim to start drooling, constricted pupils and vision problems, involuntary urination (pissing your pants), overproduction of lung/bronchial fluids, respiratory failure resulting in convulsions and death. Atropine will remove this overdose of acetylcholine bringing the victim back from the clutches of death. A poison on its own. A lifesaver for other poisons
the poison of the underworld
the tropanes are truly devious in their poisoning effects on the body. For what other ingredients can literally bring you to the gates of Hell before you die?
“There was lightning all around me, the sky was ripped apart and clouds sweeping by quickly, they were tinged with red. All around me (its 8.00 pm) the normally deserted park is filled with people; horrible gray shadows with back holes for eyes, there are thousands of them. The trees are dripping with blood and the ground is littered with body parts. These people are laughing at me, but I can only hear them in my head, they scream at me, horrible things about the universe coming to an end. I remember grabbing my head and screaming.”**
Keep in mind this scenery seems entirely real to the person experiencing such a poisoning. Think of it along the lines of a lucid nightmare. Although there is danger in any experimentation with the tropanes, there is a serious danger in experimentation with these compounds when:
A) You are not familiar with how your body tolerates tropane alkaloids.
Your body can be extremely sensitive to these compounds, or resistant causing you to think you need a lot more than it really indicates.
B) When you are just guessing at dosage without any point of reference.
This is by far the most definitive factor in why people end up dead and/or admitted to the ER with extreme delirium and psychosis when messing with the Nightshade plants. As I said before, she enjoys a chance to take advantage of you when you give her that option. She does not play gentle. Guessing at a dosage is just plain stupid.
C) Unaware of the potency of the plant material
Just as in any plant based substance, different strains and species can be vastly different in alkaloid. For instance, Datura stramonium is not nearly as potent as something like Datura discolor or Datura ceratocaula. On top of that some of the same strains grown in different regions or at different times of the year can be quite different potencies. She is unpredictable. That’s my point!
Now I am not suggesting anyone should experiment with the tropanes but I do realize people will do as they wish, so I might as well put some relevant information out there. On the one hand, I think it is extremely irresponsible to play with high doses of these agents without some kind of preliminary testing. When you have no reference point there is simply no way to tell how much devastation it can produce, and this is the anatomy of fatal consequence.
On the other hand, some people exaggerate the danger adding even more ignorance to the topic. Talking about any and all doses like some kind of comic book super-villain does no justice. There are numerous factors that come into play. Some dangerous. Some not so dangerous. But the truth is: there is definitelyrisk involved in all cases until you know how your body reacts to low doses and how potent your plant material is then there is no telling the outcomes of larger dosage. When small dosage outcome is established, the safer way to go is working up incrementally using the same plant material. By incrementally I mean in baby steps not giant leaps.
Getting to know this plant means understanding it in as many ways as you can. This is why I believe it is important to grow your own plants. For one, you are developing a relationship with this plant. Your loving care for this plant goes a long way with the tropane mistress. I believe in the spiritual aspects involved. You are stupid not to, seeing as though this is a living being.
I live very closely to all of my plants. Most of my plants live right in my room with me. This may be too close for comfort for some of you. But these plants and their study is pretty much my life so I am more than comfortable being so close to them. These plants enter my dreams quite often. So this has not much difference to me. I prefer it actually.
The Spirit of Lady Nightshade is intense, powerful, some might even say overkill. She is the epitome of power and intensity. Everything she does is characterized by this energy. Dark. Rugged. Raw. If you attempt to communicate or interact with her in an irresponsible manner, she will not respond lightly. Expect a tidal wave of energy. Her elements are no different. How you allow yourself to be directed by this force is no simple task. Curiosity and thrill-seeking are not the means by which to approach these beings. Careless mistakes can be fatal. If its a trip you’re looking for, there are safer substances out there. Of course, you can always grow her and admire her beauty without trying to gain carnal knowledge by ingesting her. Treat her with the proper respect and you will have nothing to worry about.
Lets talk about how tropane poisoning is reversed. So we have already established that when someone is poisoned by tropane alkaloids they have restricted the flow of acetylcholine and the system begins to malfunction and ultimately shut down if too much has entered the system.
The initial effects of tropane exposure will be:
Mydriasis (Dilated Pupils)
The deeper exposure will result in:
Redness and Flushing of the skin
Difficulty walking/balance/muscle coordination
Limited Reaction to External Stimuli
And further exposure will culminate in:
Multiple Organ Failure
Now, The recognized antidote by the medical industry is Physostigmine which is produced in nature by the calabar bean, also a poison in its own right. The effects are much like nerve gas poisoning:
Increased salivation and body fluids
So this would be the case if we did not have extreme deficiency of acetylcholine by ingestion of an anticholinergic like scopolamine or atropine. But if a person has ingested these tropanes and the anticholinergics cause the resulting poisoning, administering physostigmine would reverse the effects and put the much needed acetylcholine back into the system.
Another recognized antidote is Pilocarpine. This is a compound isolated from the Pilocarpusgenus of plants in South America more commonly called Jaborandi. These are another source of acetylcholinesterase compounds (promoting the flow of acetylcholine).
Another known compound for treating the anticholinergic effect is a drug called scopoletin. This can be isolated from multiple plants like Scopolia, chicory, Artemesia scoparia, Passionflower, and most commonly Brunfelsia. I can personally attest to the fact that Brunfelsia will reverse the initial effects in low doses of tropane alkaloids.
Due to stomach/digestive problems, I ingested a small number of Datura stramonium seeds, which I had carefully dosed through numerous small dose experiments. After reaching a medicinal dosage guideline, I ingested a few more for the purpose of this experiment. After a while, My eyelids got heavy, my mouth became fairly dry, and pretty much my whole system dried up. I could drink a lot of fluid with barely any urination. This is what I was aiming for. Next, I made tea with about 15-20 leaves of Brunfelsia grandiflora. Upon drinking this concoction, I could feel my mouth producing saliva again. I could somewhat feel my body producing fluids again. Or rather, I could feel the initial effects of the Datura seeds containing tropane alkaloids reversing as I continued to drink the Brunfelsia tea.
I can’t say for sure how effective this would be at higher levels of tropane exposure. I’m sure you would need to drink a fair amount more than one cup. But this is just my experience at low doses. I would not recommend trying it because as I said before: There is a great amount of Risk involved in consuming high amounts of tropane alkaloids and the same is true of Brunfelsia and scopoletin. My point being, you are walking into uncharted territory and I have no way of telling you what could happen because these are both poisons in their own right!
I hope this post gives you a more in-depth understanding of the Nightshade plants, tropane alkaloids, and their effects on acetylcholine in our brain. I hope you find these plants as awesome and inspiring as I do, but at the same time I hope you approach them with respect as I do. While I do not encourage ingesting them to my audience, I can’t tell you not to because that would be somewhat hypocritical. But what I will say is please, please don’t be foolish by guessing at dosage or thinking you have balls by taking large amounts. These are dangerous compounds. Overdosing and dying is a very real risk. Or maybe worse than dying, permanent psychosis, brain damage, and vision impairment is always another plausible scenario. So if reading this isn’t enough for some of you crazy cats then just please be very, verycareful!!